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June 01, 2008

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Michael Koziarski

As someone who's simultaneously desperate to find an alternative to relation databases and skeptical about OODBs, I found the maglev presentation fascinating.

The benchmarks seem to have poked a hornet's nest of rage, but even without a performance improvement the large distributed VM is really really interesting technology. You guys presented it brilliantly, and I'm looking forward to getting my hands on the bits. *cough* *hint*

Wilson Bilkovich

It was good meeting you at the conference; best of luck with Maglev.

Graeme Mathieson

The part I find most exciting is that Maglev seems to be solving the very same problems as Erlang is touted for. Except that it's Ruby, not a really ugly language that's stuck in the 80s telco market.

And, as Michael says, *cough* *hint* I can't wait to get my grubby paws on this. :-)

Kurt Schrader

Avi,

Any comment on running Seaside/Smalltalk applications side-by-side on top of the same Stone that the Ruby applications are running on?

Is that something that we're going to see?

Tiest Vilee

Avi,
great to hear this is all going to well. Since you are allowing the C for the VM to be open-sourced, that implies that the VM is completely new for Maglev - not just leveraging the Gemstone/SmallTalk by translating from Ruby to Smalltalk. Is that correct? Obviously you'd be re-using your VM tech for the Ruby one.

Rowan Hick

Absolutely fascinating - can't wait to see this in action and potentially try it out.

Mirko Froehlich

Your presentation seems to have generated quite a bit of buzz. I would have liked to see it in person, but unfortunately I didn't make it to RailsConf. I look forward to playing with MagLev when it is released.

markus

At least this clears up some things

vruz

For the sake of clarity, how about addressing Charles Nutter's comments one by one ?
Or a roadmap with milestones and tenative deadlines ?
How about discussing the governance model of the code ?

I believe many points he made were at least interesting, and as you know his opinion is widely acknowledged as a relevant voice in the community.

Keep up with the great work.

Bob Aman

It really sounded great until you got to the "It's not open source" part.

petrilli

Yes, because nothing could possibly have monetary value in this world.

Great job as usual Avi.

Johan Sørensen

Avi, can't wait to play around with this thing, please do continue writing about Maglev. I'd be very interesting in hearing more about the practicalities of the persistence and how tightly it actually integrates with it's Smalltalk big-brother, for instance, would I be able to use Smalltalk objects, like JRuby allows you to call Java libs?

Mark Miller

Sounds neat. One question though. You skimmed over the case where synchronization conflicts occur. How do you handle that, or does Gemstone resolve them somehow?

Alexander Staubo

@Graeme Mathieson: "The part I find most exciting is that Maglev seems to be solving the very same problems as Erlang is touted for."

Actually MagLev is doing the exact opposite -- creating a transparent, virtual shared memory mechanism that creates the illusion that your Ruby processes are all running in the same VM. Erlang is about different processes not sharing anything, and making the boundaries between processes explicit.

"Except that it's Ruby, not a really ugly language ..."

Well, there's that. :-)

Rick Bradley

Avi,
Thanks for the linkable recap, thanks for the great presentation, and thanks for sharing a few minutes near the keg to talk about the motivations behind MagLev. I find this really inspiring and am really looking forward to being able to run this myself.

A vote for as much open source as is at all possible -- the returns may look different but they are always sizeable and worth the effort.

Best,
Rick

Curious

Hello Avi,

It's been 3-4 months now since the MagLev demo, and I haven't found any updates about it since. Would you mind sharing some news from that front?

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